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Post by dudalb on Feb 23, 2005 0:44:00 GMT
Since he founded the Genre, I think Verne deserves to be rated above Chris Carter and Terry Nation. And No Heinlein? No E.E. Doc Smith, who invented FTL travel and created space opera as we know it? If these are experts who made up this list, give me ignorance any day.
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Post by Bayne on Mar 3, 2005 0:56:25 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]A list full of outrageous omissions. Few people even know about E.E. "Doc" Smith, a veritable genious responsible for much of the post-Wells directions of scifi ripped of mercilessly by the makers of star wars, trek B5 etc and also (I have read) the man that invented the technique for gluing suger to the outside of doughnuts!
Some have bashed the Lensman books for their 'sexist content' however the fact that the main female character is clearly based on his own wife who even contributed to some of his work seriously undermines the argument.[/glow]
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Post by Lensman on Mar 4, 2005 10:09:40 GMT
Since he founded the Genre, I think Verne deserves to be rated above Chris Carter and Terry Nation. And No Heinlein? No E.E. Doc Smith, who invented FTL travel and created space opera as we know it? If these are experts who made up this list, give me ignorance any day. You said it! That list was clearly made up by people who don't *read* much science fiction. People who don't realize that 98% or more of the best SF is written, not on film.
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Post by Lensman on Mar 4, 2005 10:25:37 GMT
Some have bashed the Lensman books for their 'sexist content' however the fact that the main female character is clearly based on his own wife who even contributed to some of his work seriously undermines the argument. I hadn't heard that Verna Smith contributed to "Doc" Smith's work. May I ask where you read/ heard that? Certainly the Lensman books, and Smith's works in general, are sexist. He wrote using the same cultural mores he was raised with, in the U.S. during the "mauve" decade... the same decade during which Wells wrote WotW. Clearly his personal politics were more conservative than Wells'. In other words, "Doc" Smith was a product of his times. As are we.
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Post by the Donal on Mar 4, 2005 13:45:28 GMT
I tried reading a Doc Smith book years ago- can't remember which one- but couldn't get started as it was too jargonistic. Perhaps I didn't give it a fair chance?
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Post by HTT on Mar 4, 2005 14:17:29 GMT
I can't believe Frank Herbert & Dune isn't up there!! Or David Eddings.
How about Robert Rankin: He developed a distinctive blend of sci-fi, fantasy, humour called "far-fetched fiction", so he could have a section to himself in bookshops!
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Post by flynnsixtysix on Mar 4, 2005 14:43:02 GMT
it's the usual 'problem with lists' type of list...in that the only people who are willing to actually bother to put their name on a list are the only people the list is ever going to appeal to..
That and the fact that very little of it appears ( as rob et all) point out ) to have anything to do with the original source literature which our dear artists poured their souls into.
for one - being a d*ckhead ( philip K d*ck fan) I find the idea that Chris Carter ( rip off merchant extraordinaire) and spielberg (whose movies I love but has never really had an original idea since Duel) is above Philip K d*ck - who IMO is the father of modern sci-fi is simply shocking
Wells deserved his high ranking - that much we can agree. - if this was a list about actual SCIENCE fiction then he should be at number one - since lucas is actual science FANTASY...as are many others in that list it becomes a bix of a mixed bunch - it's like putting scifi porno in amongst scifi philosophy...
but hey ho - worlds full of nutters I have come to realise that each and every one of them speaks the absolute truth in their own inimitable style..
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Post by Bayne on Mar 4, 2005 23:45:22 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]I read it on a net site years ago so I don't have the link anymore sorry. [/glow]
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