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Post by RustiSwordz on Jul 15, 2005 3:36:40 GMT
as ray flees in his car we see the bridge explode and fall and the tanker explode behind him. immediatly after the tanker goes the houses either side of the street explode across the road behind the car. but as the camera follows the car you can clearly see the destroyed houses are in fact intact without a scratch....
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Post by Lensman on Jul 15, 2005 3:58:07 GMT
Is this something you spotted yourself, Rusti? And if so, have you seen the film more than once? I'm just wondering how obvious this blooper is.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Jul 15, 2005 4:02:22 GMT
3 times, and on the third it just occurred to me... LOL
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Post by Lensman on Jul 15, 2005 4:04:21 GMT
Thanks. I feel better having not noticed it, having seen it just the once.
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Post by Spirit of Man on Jul 15, 2005 4:44:14 GMT
Yeah.............and why was that guys camcorder working when the first tripod was emerging???
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Post by Lensman on Jul 15, 2005 5:18:16 GMT
Yeah.............and why was that guys camcorder working when the first tripod was emerging??? Well, he realized he just needed to replace the camcorder's solenoid... ;D Seriously, the only thing I can think of is that he just happened to have had it inside something which shielded it from the EMP when that went off. I'm not sure what that would take. Would a metal box be enough? From my brief Internet search the other day on EMP I know that a Faraday cage (which will protect its contents from lightning) is not sufficient. I know for computers they shield sensitive components against interference by putting a grounded metal box around what is being protected. Maybe that's enuff... I dunno. I'm also unclear how long the effects of EMP last. Setting off a large EMP pulse in the atmosphere will screw up radio transmissions for some time, but perhaps that's due to a lasting effect in the ionosphere, not in radio equipment. Can anyone out there speak authoritatively on this point? If the camcorder was sufficiently shielded when the EMP went off, could it be immediately taken out and used? Or would there have been lingering effects from the EMP blast which would have rendered the camcorder inoperable for minutes or hours?
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Post by robkral on Jul 15, 2005 5:25:30 GMT
Someone else noticed this one, I can't remember who posteed it and where but its a good one:
In the reporter / crashed plane scene, the guy who retrieves the foodbox from the plane is deaf (as we are told by the reporter), but at the end of the sequence this same guy, when the Tripods war cry sounds, says:'
"Hear that?, We're leaving".
HOw'd he hear that?!
(Yeah yeah, not to start a discussion on he "felt" it...as far as I'm concerned its a classic blooper).
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Post by Typhon on Jul 15, 2005 7:32:43 GMT
He was shell-shocked, not completely deaf. Something like speech and yelling he probably wouldn't hear, but something like a tripod's war cry would be audible to him still.
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Post by uuulllaaa on Jul 15, 2005 18:48:31 GMT
Ok for 1 after the houses explode Ray takes a right turn and it a good distance before we what is behind him hes well away form the damadged area,no 2 its not the same guy who hears the tripod call there is 2 men with trhe woman reporter,just thought id let you know.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Jul 15, 2005 19:20:23 GMT
Ok for 1 after the houses explode Ray takes a right turn and it a good distance before we what is behind him hes well away form the damadged area, wrong, ray does NOT turn the car away from damaged area.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jul 15, 2005 19:55:46 GMT
as ray flees in his car we see the bridge explode and fall and the tanker explode behind him. immediatly after the tanker goes the houses either side of the street explode across the road behind the car. but as the camera follows the car you can clearly see the destroyed houses are in fact intact without a scratch.... I just looked at that scene. The houses on the left side of the screen are damaged and ablaze and a building does explode on the right side of the street but as the people carrier continues forward you can see the houses on the 'right' side still intact.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jul 15, 2005 19:59:25 GMT
Someone else noticed this one, I can't remember who posteed it and where but its a good one: In the reporter / crashed plane scene, the guy who retrieves the foodbox from the plane is deaf (as we are told by the reporter), but at the end of the sequence this same guy, when the Tripods war cry sounds, says:' "Hear that?, We're leaving". HOw'd he hear that?! (Yeah yeah, not to start a discussion on he "felt" it...as far as I'm concerned its a classic blooper). He could be 'partially' instead of completely deaf. The woman reporter says that a shell went off by the side of him, the camera saved his life. He had to have had a large camera on his shoulder, saving his ear closest to the camera from the blast, but his other ear caught the blast.
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Post by ArmoredTrackLayer on Jul 15, 2005 21:50:54 GMT
The cameraman isnt the guy who said hear that, it was another guy, the driver of the van, you see the cameraman getting lead off by the reporter.
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Post by <[Iron Man]> on Jul 15, 2005 22:54:40 GMT
Yeah.............and why was that guys camcorder working when the first tripod was emerging??? Well, he realized he just needed to replace the camcorder's solenoid... ;D Seriously, the only thing I can think of is that he just happened to have had it inside something which shielded it from the EMP when that went off. I'm not sure what that would take. Would a metal box be enough? From my brief Internet search the other day on EMP I know that a Faraday cage (which will protect its contents from lightning) is not sufficient. I read that a Faraday cage may be a more ideal way of protecting sensitive equipment. Apparently as long as the contents aren't touching the inside surface of the box and are insulated then in theory they would be safe, but who knows. I know for computers they shield sensitive components against interference by putting a grounded metal box around what is being protected. Maybe that's enuff... I dunno. In essence isn't that the Farday Cage/Box principle? I'm also unclear how long the effects of EMP last. Setting off a large EMP pulse in the atmosphere will screw up radio transmissions for some time, but perhaps that's due to a lasting effect in the ionosphere, not in radio equipment. Basically from my understanding the 'effects' persist as long as the EMP is still around, and has not already been grounded/discharged. That's why a SEMP (Surface ElectroMagentic Pulse) detonation would have a more limited effect and range. Compared to HEMP (High-altitude ElectroMagnetic Pulse) detonation which covers a wider area, that takes longer to be grounded because of the altitude. Not only that, if it was detonated in Space for instance, the Magnetic Field of the Earth would spread the EMP even further, perhaps 'trapping' it, although i'm no expert on EMP. Can anyone out there speak authoritatively on this point? If the camcorder was sufficiently shielded when the EMP went off, could it be immediately taken out and used? Or would there have been lingering effects from the EMP blast which would have rendered the camcorder inoperable for minutes or hours? Here's an excerpt on Battery powered items... " One simple solution is to use battery-operated equipment which has cords or antennas of only 30 inches or less in length. This short stretch of metal puts the device within the troughs of the nuclear-generated EMP wave and will keep the equipment from getting a damaging concentration of electrons. Provided the equipment isn't operated close to some other metal object (i.e., within 8 feet of a metal girder, telephone line, etc.), it should survive without any other precautions being taken with it.
If you don't want to buy a wealth of batteries for every appliance you own or use a radio set up with longer than 30-inch antenna, then you'll need to use equipment that is "hardened" against EMP.There's also some information on tests conducted on cars by the US Military using 'EMP Simulators'. Which showed contrary to peoples belief that Cars/Vehicles were more resistant against EMP. One idea may be that the vehicle itself is a sort of Faraday Cage/Box being made of Metal, and that the Rubber tires act as insulators against the ground. This doesn't make them 100% EMP proof but more resistant apparently. Here's the website... www.aussurvivalist.com/nuclear/empprotection.htmIt deals mainly with surviving a Nuclear Attack, seems more like a 'Survivalist' guide so it may not be 100% correct. What i've read so far does make sense.
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Post by nervouspete on Jul 17, 2005 12:11:29 GMT
Cheers for the link, IronMan. This bit made me laugh...
"In fact, you can enjoy much of the "high tech" life style you've come accustomed to even after the use of a nuclear device has been used by terrorists--or there is an all-out WWIII."
Hurrah! I can still go online, take digital photos and use my computer after world war III! Hmm, funny, there seems to be no power. Maybe the power station people are on holiday. And I have no roof, but this tarpaulin will help. Best board over the broken windows as well, and remove this troublesome glass and splinters from my flesh. Ugh. Now I feel all dizzy. Can't think why, I haven't eaten any chicken. Didn't realise I was going bald so fast as well, better change my shampoo!
(Dies 2 weeks later of radiation poisoning, mourning for the loss of Half Life 2 all the while, since the game requires an internet connection)
Some interesting stuff on the site, but ultimately it fails to draw a distinction between a limited nuclear war (largely survivable) and a full scale nuclear war (not survivable, at least not in Europe and the UK)
Frankly, the longer the assumption of megadeath exists in the public's and politicians minds regarding nuclear war the better.
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Post by <[Iron Man]> on Jul 17, 2005 16:54:42 GMT
Cheers for the link, IronMan. This bit made me laugh... "In fact, you can enjoy much of the "high tech" life style you've come accustomed to even after the use of a nuclear device has been used by terrorists--or there is an all-out WWIII." Hurrah! I can still go online, take digital photos and use my computer after world war III! Hmm, funny, there seems to be no power. Maybe the power station people are on holiday. And I have no roof, but this tarpaulin will help. Best board over the broken windows as well, and remove this troublesome glass and splinters from my flesh. Ugh. Now I feel all dizzy. Can't think why, I haven't eaten any chicken. Didn't realise I was going bald so fast as well, better change my shampoo! (Dies 2 weeks later of radiation poisoning, mourning for the loss of Half Life 2 all the while, since the game requires an internet connection) Some interesting stuff on the site, but ultimately it fails to draw a distinction between a limited nuclear war (largely survivable) and a full scale nuclear war (not survivable, at least not in Europe and the UK) Frankly, the longer the assumption of megadeath exists in the public's and politicians minds regarding nuclear war the better. Lol as i said some of it isn't correct, some you need to take with a pich of salt. But the actual information on EMP seems right. Nuclear War is never practical, i never understood why it would even be considered, no one wins.
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Post by <[Iron Man]> on Jul 22, 2005 20:08:35 GMT
Here's a blooper... See this picture... (Not just mindless Battle Porn btw) Notice how close that Soldier with the Launcher is to the M1 Abrams, well apparently in 'real life' he'd be killed. Here's an image to explain... Here's the bit detailing why... The temperature of the M1's exhaust may be over 1,700 degrees. Soldiers following behind the tank must be to the side of the exhaust grill or at a safe distance away if they are moving directly behind it.
The overpressure from the 120mm cannon can kill a dismounted infantryman within a 90° arc extending from the muzzle of the gun tube out to 200 meters.
From 200 to 1,000 meters along the line of fire, on a frontage of about 400 meters, dismounted infantry must be aware of the danger from discarding sabot petals, which can kill or seriously injure personnel.So in short that Soldier would've been burnt, defeaned and possibly hit by a discarding shell Here's a link to the actual web page www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/tank/M1.htmlJust check the bit that says 'Notes' for the full story.
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Post by Refugee on Jul 23, 2005 10:09:06 GMT
I have reviewed this scene extensively and the houses dont actually explode. Please here me out. Explosions do occur on bothe sides of the street but only the houses behind explode, the explosions at the side have different points of origin, they seem to be infront of the houses, if you call the houses background, they may possibly be parked cars exploding or explosions from the hr hitting the ground. Thats what I saw anyway, not saying it's right.
About the battle above, isn't the guy with the rocket launcher thingy behind the front of the tanks...nozzle, so according to your diagram he would probably just go deaf (if I've read it right) but there would probably be mufflers in his helmet anyway otherwise his launcher would deafen him.
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Post by jeffwaynefan on Jul 23, 2005 10:17:16 GMT
I have reviewed this scene extensively and the houses dont actually explode. Please here me out. Explosions do occur on bothe sides of the street but only the houses behind explode, the explosions at the side have different points of origin, they seem to be infront of the houses, if you call the houses background, they may possibly be parked cars exploding or explosions from the hr hitting the ground. Thats what I saw anyway, not saying it's right. The houses directly beneath the bridge do get taken out, obviously, but the houses on the street AFTER the tanker explosion do get hit, well one does anyway. Look carefully at the first house at the top of the street on the 'left' hand side, you will notice its completely on fire.
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Post by Refugee on Jul 23, 2005 10:18:50 GMT
I'll have another look, I think part of the problem is that I dont want to find a problem with it lol.
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